Why individualism western ideals and more encompassing freedom as a whole makes this place so damn great.

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Lets start with indivudalism why this concept is so good number 1 this is fundamental your life has value it is not some useless object 1 should deny it has value towards larger society as a whole it's ideals should be defended as a whole.

Reason 2 why individualism is good is it leads to the most innovations yes we have hidden variables like loads iq backwards religions but the ultimate one https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/world-history/medieval-times/cross-cultural-diffusion-of-knowledge/v/golden-age-of-islam we see what happened to islam in general we see when individualism reigns strong we see many innovations in many fields religion and philosophy are very correlated weather we like it or not same with atheism and politics don't believe me just look at the an-cap atheists and the libertarian atheists their is a difference subtle but very huge.

3rd people actually start believing change is possible rather than looking for apocalypses if you were in the middle ages you would constantly be fearing the plague pestilence famine (all due to the lack of innovations and dogmatic faith) if you were born in nearly any other time period you would be fearing of the apocalypse constantly history has built up to our system we have the fruits that the rest of the poisons didn't have the west is a sweet sauce their are reasons people want to come here.

4th main reason is we have everthing the other nations could never have you will feel more happy here than you will ever feel fuffiled within nations like china and russia places where you have to fear you own governments creates paranoia and conspiracies which ironically happens to be a self fuffling prophecy where you actually start getting opposing state forces that helps reinforce even more conspiracy from before conspiracy breeds actual conspiracy especially if people believe in some form of a concept it starts to bring a reality onto it's own thoughts have life in some sense.

This is what made us great tbh it is the best thing we can have i don't understand why people want it to die
 

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individualism isn't emotionally appealing, it's something you are more or less forced to adopt against your will.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/study-proves-big-governme_b_5989698

In addition we also have the issue of low birthrates, environmental issues (such as AGW) and forced altruism in the form of capitalism.

''individualism isn't emotionally appealing, it's something you are more or less forced to adopt against your will.''

Really after i showed you the Islamic golden age ? and the fact that your life has value here it's somehow unappealing ? and don't act like your life has value under socialism monarchism and any form of big state bureaucracy we can see which 1 works by which 1 has won out and stood the test of time Lets see the roman empire the greek empires mainly all other empires collapsed meanwhile america is still thriving same with the west it's falling a little behind cause of tarrifs and high welfare statism but it still is thriving.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/study-proves-big-governme_b_5989698


Individual happiness is lesser than individual well being their is a difference both are not mutually exclusive they can be but their not in this instance cause cause this appealing to the fallacy of majority just cause most people are happy with a system doesn't it the best for their well being not even close.

In addition we also have the issue of low birthrates, environmental issues (such as AGW) and forced altruism in the form of capitalism.

Low birthrates only happen under welfare statist countries and within those countries culture plays a huge part as well it's not individualism at all not even close why do you think foids advocate in majority for socialism their the ones that benefit the most they get to fuck chad and then make make most of us pay for it so the father becomes useless its why we have low birth rates males are no longer needed.

Enviromental issues mostly happen in areas in china in state controled areas.

and forced altruism is collectivism really individualism is selfish
 

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Really after i showed you the Islamic golden age ? and the fact that your life has value here it's somehow unappealing ?
Material wealth itself does not make us happy, that should be abundantly clear at this point.

http://editions-hache.com/essais/pdf/kaczynski2.pdf

And don't act like your life has value under socialism monarchism and any form of big state bureaucracy we can see which 1 works by which 1 has won out and stood the test of time Lets see the roman empire the greek empires mainly all other empires collapsed meanwhile america is still thriving same with the west it's falling a little behind cause of tarrifs and high welfare statism but it still is thriving.
You reincarnate after you die.

Individual happiness is lesser than individual well being their is a difference both are not mutually exclusive they can be but their not in this instance cause cause this appealing to the fallacy of majority just cause most people are happy with a system doesn't it the best for their well being not even close.
Well-being doesn't have a clear definition.

Happiness and evolutionary success can be measured and it does not favor individualism.

Low birthrates only happen under welfare statist countries and within those countries culture plays a huge part as well it's not individualism at all not even close why do you think foids advocate in majority for socialism their the ones that benefit the most they get to fuck chad and then make make most of us pay for it so the father becomes useless its why we have low birth rates males are no longer needed.
Name one individualistic country with good birthrates?
Enviromental issues mostly happen in areas in china in state controled areas.
I will look that up but if you count CO2 that happen everywhere, not just due to state control.
and forced altruism is collectivism really individualism is selfish
No it's not full selfishness, full selfishness is wanting to own slaves and brutally dominate other humans for your own pleasure. In a capitalistic system you are forced into working for other people.
 

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Material wealth itself does not make us happy, that should be abundantly clear at this point.

http://editions-hache.com/essais/pdf/kaczynski2.pdf


You reincarnate after you die.


Well-being doesn't have a clear definition.

Happiness and evolutionary success can be measured and it does not favor individualism.


Name one individualistic country with good birthrates?

I will look that up but if you count CO2 that happen everywhere, not just due to state control.

No it's not full selfishness, full selfishness is wanting to own slaves and brutally dominate other humans for your own pleasure. In a capitalistic system you are forced into working for other people.

Material wealth itself does not make us happy, that should be abundantly clear at this point.


Your correct but rather the freedom to choose does https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110614100521.htm material wealth without the freedom to choose kind of ruins the conception of indiviualism to begin in with.

You reincarnate after you die.

That is 1 interpretation of QM their is also stuff like The idealist approach we don't know which 1 is true yet your kind of begging the question by assuming it's reincarnation i don't accept that mainly cause you have lots of assumptions number 1 infinite universes where are we getting this assumption then you have the issue have of infinite energy required for this which we cannot even assume is possible without some form of evidence so your kind of not looking at the issues of the many worlds view but this is damn true you are eternal being everything you have done is forever cross sectioned off in time literally the past is not changeable the future and present is ever changing.

''Well-being doesn't have a clear definition.

Happiness and evolutionary success can be measured and it does not favor individualism.''


Well being does not equate to evolutionary success or happiness well being is about personal prosperity in the ecanomic sense and being better of as a whole this is not the same as the context your using it in cause your using it in the context of again reproductive and biological success.

Name one individualistic country with good birthrates?


Irrelevant cause your not looking at other effects your begging the question and assuming it's indiviudalism.

I will look that up but if you count CO2 that happen everywhere, not just due to state control.

Look up the tragedy of the commons

No it's not full selfishness, full selfishness is wanting to own slaves and brutally dominate other humans for your own pleasure. In a capitalistic system you are forced into working for other people.

Look into ayn rands work on the virtues of selfishness it is not this strawman definition you are claiming about what your talking about is elitism which your right capitalism hates the whole idea is you as a individual have value you are not a expendable.
 

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Freedom for women leads to lower birthrate

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3594933/

If you are 100% selfish you dont care about anyone else and thus why not brutally dominate them if you can, full selfishness would not lead to tkanarcho-capitalism.

Freedom for women leads to lower birthrate

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3594933/


Good tbh i read into that and i realized why do i care about offspring that comes from foids species which i hate i care about what comes from my own sperm and that is gene editted artifical vaginas kids their would also be no foids in my ideal society to begin with their to easy to manipulate and the men follow the manipulation as well so fuck that however their is another idea separate the gender male and female ideally we will route out all sexual desire within men in general i don't want it i don't think any male does want it who is suffering and is an incel so i mean i really don't care about the birth rates.

If you are 100% selfish you dont care about anyone else and thus why not brutally dominate them if you can, full selfishness would not lead to tkanarcho-capitalism.

When i mean selfish i mean a very specefic form the ayn randian form
 

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Why should i give a fuck about what Ayan Rand though i should act over what"s actually in my own best interest?

Vintologi isn't compatible with her teachings and vintologi is true.
 

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Why should i give a fuck about what Ayan Rand though i should act over what"s actually in my own best interest?

Vintologi isn't compatible with her teachings and vintologi is true.


Cause you can be selfish as long as that selfishness doesn't violate others basic rights which are objective tbh god given i'm afraid
 

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Cause you can be selfish as long as that selfishness doesn't violate others basic rights which are objective tbh god given i'm afraid
The good you think gave these rights dont even exists.

I do not see any god enforcing these rules so why should i even care? what are the comsequences for giving a shit a bot that bullshit over not doing so?
 

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The good you think gave these rights dont even exists.

I do not see any god enforcing these rules so why should i even care? what are the comsequences for giving a shit a bot that bullshit over not doing so?


I mean Their is nothing stopping you it's just karmic debt it builds up that which 1 inflicts rolls back around
 

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I'm a hindu/lovecraftian worshipper of the old one the ancient of days and in my faith karma is defined as good or bad acts 1 commits what ever you do will come back to bite you in the ass this is just a part of my reilgion tbh it's why 1 should be moral regardless we can come to these laws from pure empirical proof and pragmatism
 

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Your religion is wrong so i dont care about what moral values are promoted by your retarded religion.

Btw: from the way you write i guess you are from the UK.
 

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Your religion is wrong so i dont care about what moral values are promoted by your retarded religion.

Btw: from the way you write i guess you are from the UK.

What does that have to do with anything tbh ? changes nothing where i'm from that being said you don't need to accept god i even specially said we can come from it from a pragmatic stand point
 

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You don't need to accept god i even specially said we can come from it from a pragmatic stand point
No you cant, you believe in that nonsense becuase you were brainwashed by your parents and now death might be the only cure.
 

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It's more pragmatic and useful than your view cause most innovations happen under systems like mine
No your system wouldn't allow for that either since there wouldn't be immatrial property protections or governments funding research.

In addition my system will quickly improve humanity and thus lead to way more innovation long term.
 

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No your system wouldn't allow for that either since there wouldn't be immatrial property protections or governments funding research.

In addition my system will quickly improve humanity and thus lead to way more innovation long term.


As tesla put it




The moment scientists actually start studying the natural law governing all things then it will make proggress than it has done in centuries of it's creation tbh we all question beg realism instead of rethinking it
 

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As tesla put it

The moment scientists actually start studying the natural law governing all things then it will make proggress than it has done in centuries of it's creation tbh we all question beg realism instead of rethinking it
Why are you bringing up this failure of a human being?

Dying childless = ultimate failure.

The current laws of physics already perfectly explain everything we can measure outside cosmology, the challange now is finding the true fundamental theory of everything.
 

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Why are you bringing up this failure of a human being?

Dying childless = ultimate failure.

The current laws of physics already perfectly explain everything we can measure outside cosmology, the challange now is finding the true fundamental theory of everything.

Why are you bringing up this failure of a human being?


Dude he was the most intellgent in human history 1 cannot claim he was a failure.

The current laws of physics already perfectly explain everything we can measure outside cosmology, the challange now is finding the true fundamental theory of everything.

Yes that's why their was the ether theory which is a possible alternative to the modern theory this dude has.

Dying childless = ultimate failure.

Not really
 
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