Glorification of vintologi thread

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One of the benefits of it is that it pulls no punches. It's a better manifesto in that respect than anything I wrote, or even that Hitler wrote, because it doesn't hold back from putting forth a vision of the benefits of having, say, absolute power. There's not really any concern for the well-being of the weak, except to the extent they may be useful to the strong. I used to write about benevolent white supremacy, but I could've just been like, "Whatever, we don't need blacks." Hitler, while redpilled in some ways, had some ideas of dubious merit, e.g. that women should be given the right to vote after they get married. What is the point, when the husband can just cast a vote on her behalf, kind of like how whites in slave states used to effectively cast votes on behalf of the slave population multiplied by 3/5ths? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-Fifths_Compromise

It also doesn't mind admitting that for the inferior, sometimes life simply lacks meaning. I search for meaning in my own life, and often it seems missing, and I have to acknowledge my faults are a large part of the reason for that. People will offer platitudes, but those are unsatisfying. It's actually more satisfying to be told, "You were born as a fuck-up in certain ways that have held you back from a lot of dreams you could've otherwise pursued, so your life may not actually have a lot of meaning."

There's not necessarily a problem with thinking that way. It could be interpreted as a challenge to prove that assessment wrong. But if you hit 40 and still are stagnating, guess what, you'll probably continue along those same lines.

Religion, though, has always served as a way by which fuck-ups could become useful and maybe get a few scraps, even if the cult leader reserves to himself the best. If it weren't for that, churches probably couldn't even exist. Look at how the Catholic Church, for instance, has made use of homosexuals by putting them in the priesthood and having them serve in that capacity in exchange for access to boys (who, if they respond positively to the priests' advances, are probably mostly gay, which means this is pretty much harmless).

A religion that glorifies the holding of power over other human beings (as vintologi does) creates an inspiring vision, even if it's known that most will not be able to reach the top of the hierarchy. Just the potential, and the getting to belong to an empire of splendor and renown, and thus be considered magnificent in a way by association with and contribution to it, has probably motivated a lot of people over the course of history.

It's kind of like how most people won't win the lottery, but they still have fun playing it and support the existence of it because it funds schools and at least gives them hope that theoretically they could become rich and have a fulfilling life where they can realize their fantasies. Vintologi too supports the idea of sortition by which some might be chosen based on random chance.
 

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Totalitarian social control is unavoidable
The amount of totalitarianism in a country has an equilibrium point. While libertarian policies may work short term it will not be stable, when the government is weak it will eventually be replaced by another stronger government or there will be lower level totalitarian control.

http://vpl.vintologi.com

System based on rule of law will collapse into direct rule
It's increasingly the case that anyone can be locked up since you can always find some crime to pin on the individual or lock him/her up for his/her own good.

https://vintologi.com/threads/elite-rule.24/#post-2253

https://vintologi.com/threads/individual-rights.351/#post-2006

Theodore Kaczynski was right
High technology dis-empowers humans and results in people living worse lives.

https://vintologi.com/threads/darwinian-vintologi.1/page-2#post-53

Our civilization is very likely to fall
We will in all likelihood fail to colonize other planet, instead our society will eventually collapse and eventually go extinct, we are probably at or close to the peak now.

https://vintologi.com/threads/darwinian-vintologi.1/page-4#post-1471

Reducing females to property can increase the impact of female sexual selection
This can be archived by only allowing males who have already reproduced via a willing female to get a female breeding slave, More females reduced to property results in less free females and thus more males will die involuntarily childless.

http://rape.vintologi.com

Our universe is cyclic
The apparent fine-tuning of the laws of physics is due to the fact that our current universe is just one of infinite many, from this we can conclude that we must find our selves in a universe that is infinite in time. If the expansion of our universe would continue forever we would all be boltzmann brains which doesn't fit with observations.

https://vintologi.com/posts/74

If the universe is cyclic and laws of our universe will be different for a each new aeon then there is no longer any need for parallel universes.

Genetic clowns
The fact that you dont want to be born with certain traits does not mean said traits should be eliminatited by the gene pool. You can provide value to other people, can be in the form of entertainment, you suffer while making society better for other people.

https://vintologi.com/posts/darwinian-vintologi.1/page-3#post-74

Madman theory

You benefit from being crazy while having might, you need to demonstrate you are crazy enough to go nuclear or people will not respect you. This explains why people dont respect Donald Trump, he is too scared to take decisive action.

https://vintologi.com/threads/darwinian-vintologi.1/page-3#post-195

Incels without gender dysphoria benefit from medical transition
There individual would in many cases benefit from forced feminization by the government, if not forced very few incels without neurological gender issues are going to transition since it feels wrong to do so on your own (even when it's beneficial)

https://vintologi.com/threads/trannymaxxing.5/page-2#post-2230

Changing your sex can be beneficial from a darwinian perspective

Sperm can be banked and HRT alone will typically not cause permanent infertility. Thus if you are a good candidate for medical transition you may actually increase your expected reproduction, you may increase your inclusive fitness by transitioning into the opposite sex.

https://vintologi.com/threads/trannymaxxing.5/#post-95
 

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I think some people are just too school for cool and feel like their coolness would be diminished by belonging to anything such as a religion. But atheism and agnosticism surely don't have much of a coolness factor these days, given how their most prominent spokespeople have pretty much gone full SJW.

The only way to counter a religion is with another religion. Going irreligious isn't really an option. Those countries that claim to be atheistic have actually made communism or some other ideology their new religion.
A good example of that is psychiatry vs scientology, the secular groups opposing psych quackery are simply too weak and cowardly to do much. How many members of scientology has become victims of psychiatry?

The vintologi power law tells us that you cannot escape totalitarian social control, its control of be controlled, become a cult-leader or cult-member essentially.

And it turns out that the manosphere has not been able to exist without going religious. Yet, the religions they're turning to, such as Orthodox Christianity or Catholicism, have jumped the shark, and can't really be restored. Islam too is obsolete, and not really well-suited to the white man's civilization.
The manosprere got destroyed and the thing that stopped the more extreme feminists was actually the transgender thing, a lot of radfems did the mistake of opposing transgenderism instead of promoting it as a solution.

That leaves Mormonism, but the Mormon church too is probably on its way to becoming cucked. We need to start with a new religion that pulls no punches, and Vintologi seems to fit the bill. Plus it's flexible enough to be adaptive to our changing times, like a newborn whose bones are still capable of being molded.

Nobody else is interested in writing a bible, and the religions of the past aren't really a viable option at this point for many/most of us in the incelosphere (e.g. I can't really join the Mormon church and get much benefit out of it because I have no Mormon family members, and I don't have a job by which I could support a Mormon chick; I pretty much need to just be able to rape-enslave a foid, whom I would keep locked in my basement, kinda like what Brian David Mitchell did; plus I have a reputation as a pedo, plus I haven't renounced and likely won't renounce those views, which might interfere with my acceptance by Mormons). So, we pretty much have to go with Vintologi.

Anyone who doesn't go with Vintologi is basically a loser among losers.
WIlliam pierce did the mistake of trying to recruit from the top of society, what actually works is tryiing to attract losers and offer hope to them, this is why transmaxxing was added to vintologi.

When you have grown and gain political relevance more successful individuals will become willing to join.
 

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WIlliam pierce did the mistake of trying to recruit from the top of society, what actually works is tryiing to attract losers and offer hope to them, this is why transmaxxing was added to vintologi.

When you have grown and gain political relevance more successful individuals will become willing to join.
One of the problems with trying to recruit people who are moderately or extremely successful under the current order is that (1) they have an incentive to maintain the current order, or to behave in a cowardly way if there comes a moment where courage is needed to effect change, since the status quo allows them to be among the haves or at least the have-a-little-want-mores rather than the have-nots, and (2) they can end up fighting amongst each other for what limited scraps are available to them, while losers have little to fight about since they're all at the bottom and have nothing to take from one another.

Incel sites try to drive out obvious fakecels because they can't handle a situation where there are have-nots intermingled with have-a-little-want-mores; there would be too much fighting among them, mainly because the have-nots want to stab the have-a-little-want-mores in the throat. If a have shows up, on the other hand, he'll probably look down on the have-a-little-want-more for being a cuck by accepting what scraps the modern mate market offers him.

What we saw at Blackpill was that when a chick showed up, there was competition to get in her pants and basically it became a desperate knife fight practically with guys doing anything to try to destroy those who seemed to have a better chance with her. It ripped the community apart, and actually went even further than that to destroy bonds between men that had existed before the community's founding.

Come to think of it, by the way, that girl was always saying stuff such as, it was wrong for ER to kill all those people. Well yeah, of course she would oppose a guy who's trying to overturn the status quo; as a young, hot chick, she's benefiting from the status quo where she gets to essentially enjoy supremacy for a brief moment at least. Now that guys like Jeffrey Epstein have been shut down, young girls aren't even reasonably priced playtoys for the 1%ers anymore the way they used to be; those guys have to pay an exorbitant price for sugar babies in the open market where the chicks are allowed to market themselves rather than be treated as wares like in the past.
 
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