Steam is overrated

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I bought the deluxe edition of Code Vein on steam earlier partly to support good games but also because i wanted to try out the co-op mode (which didn't work properly once i finally got around to trying it).

The first issue i noticed is that they don't actually have any good payment option for swedish users. I ended up paying with a credit card which was a pain (had to enter like 23 different digits and get them all right, no i am not letting them save those details) and having done that twice is already a bit much for my taste.

I am used to services having convenient payment options such as "swish" which you do very quickly with your phone and it's more secure than paying with a credit card.

But more importantly it felt like i was paying for nothing. I was not actually getting any real ownership. I was not getting any physical disc to look at, no physical manual to read and enjoy, no case holding everything.

I remember someone asking steam if he could have someone inherit his steam library via his will and steam basically said that his games would die with him.

I don't find the features steam are offering for people paying for games there particularly useful. I don't need their achievements (i prefer not having that to be honest) and i don't care about their trading cards and other extras they have.

Steam also restrict you on their site unless you have awful 2FA enabled which i don't want. So i am now not even able to reply on forums (i don't want to sign in to my email over and over again to access my steam library, what if i later lose access to that email?)

on GGn there is no need for me to give them any credit card details and the games i get their already have the DRM removed, they have a nice community you can interact with, you can see reviews, etc.

In terms of download speed it seems like GGn > steam > epic.

In terms of community and site features i would rate GGn > steam >> epic.

In terms of getting games for free it's GGn >> epic > steam.

I have not bought a game on GOG yet but i might try that out next if take a significant liking to a game and they have it available for me to buy there.
 

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"But you are probably giving your credit card details to amazon/ebay/whatever anyway"
No i typically buy via "faktura" (english: invoice) where you buy now and pay in 15 or 30 days. That allows you to despite the charge and having them be the one having to go to court if they want money (rather than you having to sue to get your money back). "buy now, pay later" is actually a very good thing if you pay manually and don't let klarna (or any other such provider) automatically draw money from you.

The process for doing a chargeback is painful where you have to contant visa/mastercard/whatever praying and hoping you are actually going to get your money back. I once accidentally deposited 20$ to pokerstars and it was a nightmare to get that money back (still lost 1.2$ from the bullshit fees charge even though they claimed there was no processing fee).

So no i don't generally pay using a credit card and in rare cases i do i only temporarily enable it again via the bank after leaving just enough money for the purchase and then i disable online credit cards payments again after that.

I do not let any company save my credit card details because credit cards are awful when it comes to security, if those payments details leak they can use that to charge you money and it will be a pain in the ass trying to get that resolved later (assuming it can be resolved to begin with). The issue is credit cards not having any actual confirmation a lot of the time (my bank has a security system that is optional meaning worthless since scammers are not going to be opting into that).
 

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"2 factor authentication adds security"
It can result in you being outright locked out your account due to losing access to the second authentication method. It's common for email providers to outright delete accounts that aren't used enough (such as if you don't log in).

Furthermore some 2FA methods such as SMS are very insecure and there are people who have lost a lot of money on crypto because they were stupid enough to use sms 2 factor authentication allowing a hacker to steal all they crypto they had paid for.

I have many accounts on private trackers and 0 of them have been hacked and i am not using 2FA for any of them.

My steam account isn't even that valuable to begin with since it has like 1 game of value (the only game i actually paid for) and i don't plan on buying any more games there when i cannot post in their forums despite having been a paying customer.
 

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steam has that lame 2FA login, every fucking time I go to their site, I need to get a code and verify.

many steam deck owners say they experience that shit on their handheld.

they don't have any good games as far as I have seen, tho I am waiting for Metal Eden, but
it could go woke in the last moment.

the xbox handheld may be a better option... NOT! because it does not have hall effect joysticks, so once it gets fucked enough you get stick drift and you can't even replace it like in the switch. (maybe if you find a special place that repairs them, good luck with that).
 

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You can get mods from the workshop without buying the game first
They have been making this harder over time but currently you can still download it using this tool:

https://github.com/imwaitingnow/WorkshopDL

If they disable that completely we have to wait for members of torrent sites to start ripping that for us.
 

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Yea just turn 2FA off since you don't need to post on their forums, etc anyway. I only need steam to launch a few games (and not really even that).
steam has that lame 2FA login, every fucking time I go to their site, I need to get a code and verify.

many steam deck owners say they experience that shit on their handheld.
Turns out that the steam-deck is even worse than i thought it was. Especially the LCD model was always trash with the bad resolution and framerate (the oled model isn't even much better in that regard).

But when the steam deck launched there were no good alternatives to it which is why it did so well (there were ayaneo and onexplayer which were overpriced and still not very good).
they don't have any good games as far as I have seen, tho I am waiting for Metal Eden, but it could go woke in the last moment.
If you check the stats for steam users you see that most people have bad hardware because they wasted the money on buying games instead most of which they haven't even played yet.

Steam reviews are also useless in that regard since most people keep recommending utter garbage.

That's why they want you to provide them with your credit card details, reduces the friction for getting garbage games sold via their "steam sales". Actually "sold" is the wrong word here since you don't actually own any of your steam games.
the xbox handheld may be a better option... NOT! because it does not have hall effect joysticks, so once it gets fucked enough you get stick drift and you can't even replace it like in the switch. (maybe if you find a special place that repairs them, good luck with that).
Isn't the legion go (at least the S model) the only one with hall effect joysticks?

You can replace the steam deck joysticks but i don't know if that's worth the cost and effort required to be honest.
 

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IG I'll wait for when pragmata releases and then I'll get the best handheld. now I am towards the Legion GO S because of the hall effect, but maybe by then a Switch 2 Oled will release or something else.

only games I want are:
Metal Eden
pragmata
GTA 6(if its good and has a not multiplayer ver)
redout 2 (which I will need to buy again for the new console unless redout 3 releases)
maybe Forza
gundam seed destiny remake(I could get it now but it might suck on my switch 1 also maybe I should wait for a sale)
samurai shodown v special

boxing games are another consideration for me, only the switch can do those it seems.

pokemon za might be good but most likely it will be woke slop, and I am through playing online multiplayer games.
 
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