New nvidia GPUs coming soon?

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Name       GPU    SM count  Cuda cores  Memory       Mem Speed  Bus     Bandwidth  Cache   TGP
RTX 4050   AD107  24        3072        4/8 GiB G6   16Gbps     128bit  256GiB/s   32MiB
RTX 4050ti AD106  28        3584        8 GiB G6     16Gbps     128bit  256GiB/s   32MiB
RTX 4060   AD106  36        4608        8 GiB G6     18Gbps     128bit  288GiB/s   32MiB   230W
RTX 4060ti AD104  56        7168        10 GiB G6    18Gbps     192bit  432GiB/s   48MiB   300W
RTX 4070   AD104  60        7680        12 GiB G6    18Gbps     192bit  432GiB/s   48MiB   300W
RTX 4070ti AD103  76        9728        16 GiB G6x+  21Gbps     256bit  672GiB/s   64MiB
RTX 4080   AD103  84        10752       16 GiB G6x+  21Gbps     256bit  672GiB/s   64MiB   400W
RTX 4080ti AD102  108       13824       20 GiB G6x+  21Gbps     320bit  840GiB/s   96MiB?  450W
RTX 4090   AD102  128       16384       24 GiB G6x+  21Gbps     384bit  1008GiB/s  96MiB   450W
RTX 4090ti AD102  142       18176       48 GiB G6x+  21Gbps     384bit  1152GiB/s  96MiB   800W
Initially there were only one rumoured version of the AD103 i would surprise if the AD103 die would get used only for one GPU. Most likely it will be used for at least 2 (to minimize the amount of die having to be thrown away). Large dies are more likely to be used for multiple models due to large price difference between for example 3080 and 3080ti, for this reason we can expect a 4090ti or a titan card.
 

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The site techpowerup also has alleged specs listed for these, these do not agree with the specs leaked by various youtubers, we will eventually find out who (if anyone) was correct here.

AD102 https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/nvidia-ad102.g1005
AD103 https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/nvidia-ad103.g1012
AD104 https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/nvidia-ad104.g1013
AD106 https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/nvidia-ad106.g1014
AD107 https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/nvidia-ad107.g1015
 

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Update from kopite7kimi
Bad 'news' with regard to the 4070 and to a less extent the 4080. Nothing with regard to the potential ti models.

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Still no good news with regard to power consumption.
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RTX 4070  (old rumored specs)  AD104  60        7680        12 GiB G6    18Gbps     192bit  432GiB/s   48MiB   300W
RTX 4070  (new rumored specs)  AD104  56        7168        10 GiB G6    18Gbps     192bit  432GiB/s   48MiB   300W
 

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Should you buy a GPU now or wait for lovelace/RDNA3?
With computer hardware there will always be reasons to wait but when you wait you miss out on enjoying nice hardware such as RTX 3090. One very important factor is how good your current hardware is. If you are satisfied with your current GPU then you may aswell wait for something better but if you have significant performance issues right now it's probably better just to upgrade now when you can for a decent price (new/used).

There is a lot of uncertainty with regard to upcoming GPUs, we don't know how expensive they are going to be. Judging by the leaks it seems like the power consumption for the 4090 and 4080ti will be really bad and if the trend continue the MSRP of the 4090 will be around 1999$ while you need to pay even more (such as 2699$) for a 4090ti. That would not be something particularly great to wait for in terms of price/performance.

Rumours indicate that the lower end cards (such as the 4080) will come later and these cards while likely significantly cheaper will not offer that big of a performance uplift over current graphics cards (such as 3080 12 GiB).

GPUs used to be really overpriced but recently nvidia has cut the official MSRP for the most high-end model. Now the current suggested prices are

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3090ti      1499$
3090        1299$
3080ti      1099$
3080 12GiB  799$
3080 10GiB  699$
3070ti      599$
3070        499$
3060ti      399$
3060        329$
3050        249$
That would leave the 3060, 3060ti, 3080 12GiB and 3090 the nvidia options to seriously consider.

When you look at real prices however you will find that sometimes 3080ti will be priced well below the current MSRP (well below 1000$) potentially making it a decent option in terms of price/performance.

3070ti and 3070 are still overpriced, ignore these on the new GPU market. The 3080 12 GiB seems to be the sweet spot for gaming.

nvidia hinted that the price cuts would only be temporary. The reason for the cut in official MSRP was likely that most people were buying the 3080 rather than the more expensive GA102 models when they could (at MSRP) and this would have forced nvidia to lock down dies that could have been used for 3090/3090ti to be used for cheaper models to sell GPUs at all, luckily it seems like nvidia instead opted for adjusting their priccing to sell more 3090 and 3090ti versions. Nvidia rather sell you a 1299$ GPU than a 699$ GPU.

The AMD prices has also gone down significantly to the point where you can get the 6900xt well below its MSRP of 999$.

The prices on the used market has also fallen significantly to the point where you might get a pretty good deal by not buying new.
 

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Waiting now can backfire badly
The risk you take by waiting is that nvidia may discontinue production of 3000 series GPUs leaving only 4000 series (such as 4090 for 2600$) as an option, this is pretty much what happened with the ampere launch (a lucky few got a 3080 for 799$ but most ended up overpaying for a 3080 or had to buy the 3090 instead for 1499$+

It's unlikely that the shortage will be that bad with lovelace but it's not something that cannot happen again. Since the crypto market isn't very rational etherium could end up going much higher again (while not actually switching to proof of stake) or some other coin that is profitable to mine with a GPU might go up massively.


But we can also see nvidia having to sell the 4090 for a decent price (such as 1499$) due to them having ordered too much production at TSMC and incoming competition from AMD. Nvidia might also have to lower the price further to get rid of 3000 series stock.


Nvidia probably isn't going to do general price cuts unless they are forced to by the competition. Otherwise they will set the lovelace prices so high people keep buying 3000 series. Another potential reason for high prices is the manufacturing being very expensive, we don't really have any details on this but it might result in 3000 and 4000 series GPUs co-existing for a while until the manufacturing cost drops.
 

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Raytracing is cool but even the 3090ti is too weak for it
When it comes to framerates you definitely want to be consistently below 0.01 seconds between each frame. The issue is that even with DLSS at 1440p the performance will not really be there.

https://youtu.be/1rYWxAtE3V8?t=420

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09ZcasVAziw

This is the biggest reason for waiting for the 4000 series. By buying a 4090 you will likely get very nice framerate even with raytracing max and you will not have to significantly drop the resolution.

Hopefully the 4000 series will also come with displayport 2.0 support enabling 4K and 360hz.
 

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Price prediction
Rather than delaying the launch nvidia is likely to launch 4090 (and maybe also 4080ti and 4090ti) at a such high price that people will keep buying the 3000 series.

here is my guess (prices when 4000 series arrives) if their is no significant AMD competition

4090ti: 2699$
4090: 1999$
4080ti: 1599$

3090ti: 1200$
3090: 1050$
3080ti: 900$
3080 12GB: 700$
3080 10GB: 600$
3070ti: 500$
3070: 430$
3060ti: 350$
3060: 280$
3050: 200$

Nvidia isn't going to cut prices much more unless they face serious competition from AMD. Nvidia would stop instead hike the 4000 series prices and stop making the more affordable 3000 equivalent if they could get away with it.

It is worth nothing that 3080ti, 3090 and 3090ti are all significantly yield-constrained which might cause them to remained priced too high to offer great value (except for very temporary deals).
 

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We might finally see a real successor to the RTX titan

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That's 2 SMs disabled.

They will probably reserve the full die for quadros.

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new RTX 4090ti AD102  142       18176       48 GiB G6x+  21Gbps     384bit  1152GiB/s  96MiB   800W
old RTX 4090ti AD102  144       18432       24 GiB G6x+  21Gbps     384bit  1152GiB/s  96MiB   600W
 

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4070 may have been upgraded
This is likely a case of rebranding (4070ti renamed to just 4070).

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Because of this we also need to update the 4060ti (to what used to be the 4070). The old specs mentioned here were just my speculation.
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new RTX 4060ti AD104  56        7168        10 GiB G6    18Gbps     192bit  432GiB/s   48MiB   300W
old RTX 4060ti AD104  46        5888        10 GiB G6    18Gbps     192bit  432GiB/s   48MiB?
 

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RTX 4070ti specs may have leaked
This is not the full AD103 die so it might instead be the 4070ti (76 of 84 SMs enabled), that would be 4 off my earlier guess of 72 (9216 cuda cores).

kopite7kimi wrote:
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This being the 4070ti does fit far better with earlier leaks the old 4070ti being renamed to 4070 indicates that they were making place for a cut down version of the AD103.

Otherwise nvidia would have had to release the full AD103 as 3080ti (or only sell as quadro cards) which would mean also mean the rumor of a 20GiB 4080ti being false. Nvidia probably doesn't want to leave a such big gap in their stack in addition to having to throw away all AD102 dies where one memory controller doesn't work (or cutting all the way down to 16GiB and 84 SMs).
 
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